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. >> right. it was an election in which president obama, unprecedented for a democrat, actually ran on a platform of raising taxes. he said, i'm going to raise taxes on the top 2% and he was re-elected resoundingly with it. to what ron said, if it's only $14 trillion, what's the big deal, go ahead and let the rich pay it? that's number one. number two, the other thing that's been exposed and what's true, what's always been true about conservativism is that the core principle is the rich don't pay too much, they pay too little. when they say things like broaden the tax base, they think it's a moral hazard to have a progressive tax code. you want a flatter tax code for those with less money pay more into the system. republicans have tried to talk around that because that's anç unpopular thing to tell your tea party base, middle class people, no, we think lower income people and middle income people should pay more. but when we strip away all the rhetoric about job creators and the rest, that is the core of conservativism. rich people should not pay more. they should pay less. poorer
as the budget he just won an election on, actually. so it shouldn't be a shock that obama's opening bid is his platform. he just won an election on that platform. those are his policies, it is what he promised. negotiations are beginning but you compromise with the other guy, not with yourself. doesn't mean you're not willing to compromise. obama said as much today. >> in washington, nothing's easy, so you know, there's going to be prolonged negotiations. and all of us will have to get out of our comfort zones to make that happen. i'm willing to do that. i'm hopeful that enough members of congress in both parties are willing to do that as well. we can solve these problems. >> boehner's surprise is in part because this is a different obama he is now negotiating with. and it is not just that obama won an election. he has often compromised on his own. he has offered plans that tracked where he thought the final compromise would end up. the white house figured that by being list is us to they would win goodwill own the other side and even if they didn't, the media would come to their side realizin
in 2012, in a general election with barack obama, an african-american, a democrat, and a relatively popular president, would create a different electorate than the one you saw say in 2010 or in a primary situation? >> well, i think -- as you know, every poll starts with an assumption. here is who we think is going to show up and vote. therefore, that's who we ask the question of. republicans, and not just the romney campaign but republican pollsters all across the country, guessed wrong. we didn't see the intensity that there was there for the president, particularly among young voters. we oversampled male white voters. and, you know, you add all that together, and you're going to see two, three, four-point differences. plus, the assumption always is that the incumbent is not going to pick up any votes on election day. i think this time -- >> i think that's right. bob, you're a pro. let's go through the first one. perception is about the enthusiasm level. we were watching the last election. you could see well before the election of 2008 the excitement for obama. i felt it myself obv
for the first time since the election. finally, michelle obama unveiled the holiday decorations at the white house which featured 54 christmas trees, a gingerbread house and a statue of the first dog which looked real. >>> let's go to wall street where markets did see a boost. the dow opens at 12,985. that is after rising 106 points yesterday. the s&p 500 added 10. the nasdaq gained 23. in tokyo, neat okay was up 92 points and the hang seng gained 14. chain stores release november retail sales figures todayment a new survey shows most adults would postpone holiday shopping until january if they could save money. >>> and a different survey found that holiday parties are making a comeback with 83% of companies hosting an event this season. researchers have tested the foam in 100 couches and 40% contained banned toxic chemicals that can cause cancer. >>> a recall has been ordered of a trampoline for safety reasons. it involves sports power park side model trampolines sold at sports authority stores between april 2007 and may 2012. >>> the philadelphia water department has been a target of a mul
for president instead. as a republican against president obama in this past election election. and it's all on tape. this is se lashs almost to the point. we're talking about general petraeus. long-time republican, possible contender, the man who just resigned from running the cia in a sex scandal we still don't understand. here he is on tape talking about how he will have the fox news chairman run his campaign and the owner of fox news will bankroll his campaign and he raises the issue of his wife. there's a certain level of interest in this new tape because of who is on it. beyond that, there's the media factor. here's the fox news channel trying to recruit a presidential candidate for the republican party. the fox news chairman telling bob woodward once he was reporting on this, "i thought the republican field in the primaries needed to be shaken up and petraeus might be a good candidate." he said that on the record. after being caught doing it on tape. which means the fox news channel seriously is not like anything news. they officially are just a media arm of the republican party. they
the union because of president obama's re-election. another 19% said they weren't sure whether their state should secede or not. that means leave america, become something else. it isn't just people tell anonymous pollsters. in many states people were signing in open public marketplaces, out in the street, petitions to leave the country. in seven states the petitions have received enough support to force the white house to respond actually. take a look at this map and where the petitions have received -- well, that's a big shock. tennessee, north carolina, i love north carolina, georgia, florida, alabama, louisiana, and texas. the secession movement has the most signatures in texas, of course, with nearly 120,000 people signing on. according to the "new york times," quote, secession fever has struck parts of texas. in texas talks of secession has steadily shifted to the center from the fringe. what is really going on here? let's find out. dana milbank has the right attitude, and ron reagan, a good friend of mine, an msnbc political analyst. i have to let you at this first, ron reagan. ever
. this was largely due to his campaign's strategic decision to try to make the election solely a referendum on obama. as a result, there was little clear rationale for a romney presidency, other than he would not be obama. david winstin joins us, adviser to john boehner, unpaid, advised newt beginning rich. david, thanks for joining us. i was trying to read your thinking here and post election analysis. i think it's so interesting. if you get people angry about the way things are economic alley you think they'll blame the incumbent but it seems like a lot of people said, yeah, things aren't that great, especially poor working people, bush. >> governor romney thought this would be a referendum of barack obama. case closed. when you take a look at group of voters who said the economy was not so good, so you would think that would be an opportunity for governor romney, actually the president carried them by 13 points. 55-42. obviously, the economic argument on the refer side was not made. it was just a referendum. it was just a contradiction to what the president was saying instead of -- >> i want to a
.c.o.r.n. stole the election from president obama. >> that's an eye opener. >> i wonder where they ever got that idea? >> you just have to wait and see what happens. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. here is are the latest. republicans are at a stalemate with the white house for debt negotiations. republicans really only have two options now, bad and worse. "the new york times" is the latest outlet to report on senior republican leaders who are ready to strike a deal. they want to push off negotiations until the debt ceiling vote next year. president obama won't have it. the president is attacking the only leverage republicans have left. the president spoke to a group of ceos today and said that he will not negotiate if debt ceiling is going to be used as a hostage. >> i have to just tell you, that is a bad strategy for america, it is a bad strategy for your businesses, and it is not a game that i will play. so i want to send a very clear message to people here. we are not going to play that game next year. if congress in any way suggests that they're going t
. if there was one thing clear in this last election is that president obama said, if you re-elect me, i'm going to be in favor of raising the rates and raising taxes on the super wealthy in our country. and guess what, al, he won. and he won big. that's where the american people are. >> one of the things that is also a major issue is they are attacking a stimulus portion of the president's offer because for $95 a billion to extend payroll tax cut, $50 billion to fund infrastructure projects like roads and bridges. so they are not only playing games on how they are going to deal with the question of tax cuts across the board but they are really attacking the stimulus part of the president's offer. >> well, you and i both know the best way to grow is from the middle out,ç not from the top down. the best way to get this economy going is to get some jobs out there for some people and that's in infrastructure, education, job restraining. we've got to get people back to work. then, when they've got the money, they can go out and start buying things and the business community will respond by hiring
reality. 49% of republican voters say that they think a.c.o.r.n. stole the election for president obama. the good news is that is a drop of 3 percentage points since 2008, when 52% of republicans thought that a.c.o.r.n. stole the election for president obama. the bad news is that a.c.o.r.n. no longer exists, and so the 49% of republicans who still believe that a.c.o.r.n. stole this election for president obama are even more delusional than they were four years ago when the group thought they stole the election at least existed. some republicans are so bummed by the re-election of president obama that they don't want to live in america anymore.ç they also don't want to move. so 25% say they would like their state to secede from the union. only 56% of republicans want to remain americans. and 19% of republicans are still so dazed and confused they haven't been able to decide if they want to secede from the union. other republicans are making the saner choice of seceding from the party. in public policy polling's final poll before the election, they found that 37% of voters identified th
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in a general election with barack obama, an african-american, a democrat, and a relatively popular president would create a different electorate than one in 2010 or pry mire situation? >> as you know, every poll starts with an assumption. here's who we think is going to show up and vote, therefore that's who we ask the question of. romney -- not just the republican campaign but republican pollsters all across the country guessed wrong. we didn't see the intensity that was there for the president, particularly among young voters wchl overs . we oversampled male white voter. you add that all together and you're going to see two, three, four-point differences. and the assumption is incumbents are not going to pick up points on election day. >> i think that's right. let's get to first one. perceptions about the enthusiasm level. we thought -- you and i were talking about the last leekz. you could see well before the election of 2008 the excitement for barack obama. i felt it mooits. rallies and all the speeches. this time around it was an effective excitement. it wasn't wow, wow, wow, we love hi
obama knocked mitt romney out in this election? did they do this on purpose? we'll never know. but maybe louie gohmert can help us out. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >>> we will know that is the case if we find some kind of mexican wrestling mask in the next pete souza photo from the last year in the former soviet republic of georgia, which to refresh your memory is here sort of wedged into a port of the world called eurasia, in his struggling young nation of georgia, a 75-year-old grandmother was out looking for scrap metal and she happened by some dark miracle she happened upon the cable that connects much of that region to the outside world. the cable that she found when she was looking for scrap metal happened to carry the internet. the whole internet service for that whole part of the world. and because this woman was poor and she thought the cable maybe contained some valuable copper that maybe she could sell, she cut that cable with a shovel. and with that one mighty thwack, that 75-year-old woman severed alm
reform is now. overwhelming support from latino voters lifted president obama to victory on election day. this is part of the reason latinos voted democrat. the president took action after years of failed attempts at reforming immigration. in june, president obama issued a directive to end the deportation of military students and veterans. 64% of americans agreed with the policy. independents backed it more than 2-1. the hispanic pew center estimates. the president's directive affected 1.4 million people. that's only 12% of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the united states. today, members of the caucus spelled out their thoughts about permanent change. >> america's immigrants have every right to feel anger about how they have been treated, ignored, lied to and ridiculed. we need to set that anger aside. >> we will find out if the republicans can set aside their differences or if they will disappoint a vital and important block. i am joined tonight by congressman luis gutierrez. good to have you with us tonight. >> thanks, ed. >> your caucus laid out nine principles for immigrat
, not a fluke. let me tell you, president obama won bigger than bush was re-elected in 2004. >> that's right. >> they keep talking about a close election. in 2012, this year, president obama received 50.9% of the vote. mr. bush only received 50.7. so president obama was re-elected by a wider margin than george bush was. some fluke. but then you have strategist stewart stevens even defending romney's claim that president obama used gifts to win the election. listen to this, karen. >> i don't think that's what he was saying. i think he was saying that there's an effort that the incumbent used, as many other incumbents have used, to reach out to constituents. that's something that we've seen in politics going back to a long time. they did it effectively and they have certain groups that they wanted to do well with and they did well. >> that's utterly nonsense. that's intelligence of the public. he was not talking about the traditional way. he was saying, as they said throughout the campaign, he was giving things away, handouts, which was an insult to the president and to those constituent group
of the points that he was trying to make about why obama got elected. i think one thing he said that i thought was appropriately gracious is winning campaign's the good camp -- the one that ran a good campaign and that's what he's learned. one could guess, i think, that the stewart stevens op-ed will probably not come up during the lunch. these are the not guys who had a terrific history of love and affection between each other. this is be on your best behavior and don't say anything you don't want to see in print someplace in print. >> mitt romney is not a defeated republican candidate who has a big washington job, a role in the senate, or big influence over what his party does on the fiscal cliff or almost anything else. kristin, i wanted to ask you about cabinet choices because susan rice is at u.n. in her role as u.n. ambassador leading the u.s. argument on the palestinian vote on symbolic, nonmembership in the general assembly. but there were hearings again on the hill. we'll talk to joe lieberman in a moment. what is state of play whether the president is sticking with her in he did quit
th election. in iowa the campaign's numbers showed them tied with obama. in reality obama beat romney by about 6 points. in colorado romney's team thought they were up by 2.5. they actually wound up losing by 5.5. excuse me, i'm burping here. in new hampshire they had him ahead by 3.5. the reality, obama won by 5.5. these are like 9-point differences. his internal numbers were off in wisconsin, pennsylvania, and minnesota. a closer look shows more clearly why their confidence peaked right before the vote. over the last weekend there, the romney numbers showed romney gaining strong momentum in these key states. in wisconsin, obama lost 4 points in the polling just as romney gained 4 tying up the race. in new hampshire obama lost 4 while romney gained 3. the magazine quotes a romney aide on election night talking to romney's son tagg as the results were coming in. he looked like he was in a complete state of shock, as if these numbers cannot be real. to make matters worse, their polling told them florida and virginia, two states that romney lost, were in the bag. the republican party is
for this far right politics, and virginia in particular. voting again for president obama and electing a democratic senator. virginia is increasingly a moderate state. we're not in texas, my home state. if kucuccinelli were running in texas, arizona, even in georgia, these types of politics wouldn't just hurt him, they'd help him, but he's not. he's running in virginia, the land of whole food moms and dads. but at a broader level i find the cuccinelli race interesting because i think it might be a precursor to what we may see in the midterms and perhaps in the 2016 presidential election. we already hear some rumblings about perry getting back into the race, santorum -- >> oh, lord help us, no. please. >> i swear. >> please, no, not the return of rick perry. you cannot be serious. >> i swear to you. >> oh, lord. okay, jimmy, mr. cuccinelli, he sued over obama care, lost. sued the epa, lost. is there anything more dangerous to a political party than a leader who consistently picks fight he loses? >> how many times do you have to lose to be kaumd a loser. >> right. >> let's be honest abou
seems to have the leverage right now, craig, and whether it was president obama's re-election, whether it's some of the republicans like the sound you actually played from tom cole who seems to be going to the white house position, the bush tax cuts should be extended for the middle class, but for the middle class only. so the white house by creating all these big demands including more tax revenue, but also saying, hey, congress, we want to take away your power on the debt ceiling limit to have all these asks that tim geithner apparently made was basically to make republicans cave on the one thing the white house really wants, and that is to decouple the bush tax cuts for the middle class and the wealthy. >> do you think the white house has done a good job explaining that every american will get a tax cut on their first $250,000 of income? >> that's a great question and president obama made that in his remarks today. he's actually been making it in the past. and it is actually something that we as journalists haven't done a very good job pointing out. that even if you are a billionair
romney making those gift comments, essentially suggesting president obama won re-election because he gave his core constituents gifts. so not necessarily a positive tone to start the meeting. but this is really about striking a tone of bipartisanship after a bitterly divisive campaign. you remember president obama during his victory speech said he wanted to hit down, talk to romney about the economy, his views on the economy specifically right how giving the looming fiscal cliff. so i suggest -- or i imagine they will discuss that, as well. but do we expect anything larger to come out of this? the white house is managing expectations saying there is really no agenda for this luncheon. it's really to bury the hatchet and to allow the country to move on, as well. >> right now, though, we do know treasury secretary tim geithner as we were telling everyone was on the hill, these marathon meetings with congressional leaders. what more do we know about those meetings? obviously starting off with some of the harder ones at first bhak through nancy pelosi as his last. >> we know the treasury secr
is that not only was the democratic president, barack obama, re-elected, but in the senate, democrats picked up two seats, and in the house, the democrats picked up eight seats. so it was just a bad election for the republicans. and as the republicans defeated presidential candidate was invited to the white house today for what has come to be known as the quadrennial american gracious loser white house photo op. the romney campaign's chief strategist is being whatever the political equivalent is of being set upon by wolves. for opining in the "washington post" this week that even though he ran a campaign that lost by 126 electoral votes, even though his candidate lost his home state, even though his candidate's running mate lost his home state. even though the party lost seats in the house and senate at the same time they were losing the white house, mr. romney's chief strategist says he thought the campaign he ran went just fine. he says they, quote, carried the day. which i'm sure they did, other than the whole losing everything part. you would think there would be a lot of mainstream appropriate
is not unprecedented. in 2008, then president elect obama met with john mccain at the obama campaign chicago's headquarters. vice president al gore and george w. bush had a private meeting after gore officially conceded the election. and president clinton gave the defeated bob dole a presidential medal of freedom just days before the second clinton inauguration. other rivals weren't as conciliatory. herbert hoover and franklin d. roosevelt reportedly sat in silence to the inauguration. walter mondale told politico he and ronald reagan never sat down for this kind of conversation. and is a former aide to john kerry told politico that kerry and george w. bush never spoke to one another after john kerry conceded the election. joining me now, pulitzer prize winning columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc analyst eugene erickson. and we have all -- i won't speak for you. i have -- i have more than once, i think, said we will keep in touch, let's keep in touch, to someone i did not then keep in touch with. i don't think i've ever been as phony about it, though, as these two guys today promis
it was and is quite tasty. >> in the spotlight tonight, president obama bestows one final election gift. and this time, mitt romney is the recipient. at half past noon today, the winner and loser of this year's presidential election caught the holiday spirit, let by gones be by gones and ate white turkey chili and southwestern grilled chicken salad during a, quote, friendly lunch together. according to the official white house report, governor romney congratulated the president for the success of his campaign and wished him well over the coming four years. they pledged to stay in touch, particularly if opportunities to work together on shared interests arise in the future. before his lunch date, mitt romney met with the most recent losing vice presidential candidate who will never be president. >> how was your meeting with mr. ryan today? was it nice to see him? >> great friend. good to be with him. >> good to be with him? >> always great to see paul ryan. >> today's hatchet burying ceremony between the president and mitt romney is not unprecedented. in 2008, then president elect obama met with john m
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of hirs campaign. he thinks he won it. >> president obama has been re-elected. >> to get a deal done, you're going to have to have higher tax rates on the top 2%. >> the one thing the republicans have going for them is they're leaning on erskine bowles. >> i heard what you were saying. you know nothing of my work. you mean my whole fallacy is wrong. >> i'm happy to be flexible. i recognize i'm not going to get 100%. ♪ >> it certainly 'tis the season and whether you're counting the days to the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, christmas day, or judgment day, there's much to do and not much time to do it. as for us, we're counting down the minutes to house speaker john boehner who will be lighting the capitol christmas tree 234 just about an hour. if you're among the wealthiest of americans, then, boy, does boehner have a gift wrapped for you. in republicans' counteroffer to avert the fiscal cliff, the rich get to keep their bush era tax cuts, even as the boehner budget slashes $1.2 trillion in spending, half of it from medicare, medicaid, and other social programs. it is a lump of coal del
they all seem to have reached a crescendo once president obama was elected. so i don't see how people could think there's not a racial component. and it's unfortunate, though, when you point that out, they want to push back and say you're using the race card, but the reality is that the attacks on this president are unprecedented. the reality is, also, that he's needed security and had more secret service threats against him based on race than anybody else in the history of the presidency. and those are real issues and louie gohmert is playing into it and that's also what makes this so irresponsible. >> you think their hatred for the president plays out in the legislative processes as well? i know it does. i mean, i believe it does. they, 368 filibusters. i mean, they don't want anything to do through from his agenda. they come up with the wildest conspiracy theories that we've ever heard. now, of course, the bombing of libya. i mean, it's pretty outrageous. how -- do you think in some certain ways that this is a motivating factor for the progressive base? >> i do. i think it definitely mot
counties to report votes on election night, too, 19,712 for obama. 19,349 for romney. >> so it overperformed -- or underperformed for the president? >> but uncanny accuracy in prediction. >> one thing i took away from the swing states versus the nonswing states which i think is something republicans ought to be aware, where the democrats can implement their get out the vote, this is, i believe -- even in losing elections they have overperformed in the swing states. bush in 2000 and 2004. >> this is proof that obama ran a better campaign in the states where the campaigns really mattered. but what's remarkable to me is that obama was able to get out his vote in such a concentration of places. democrats are really clustered at the presidential level. they can win some of the swing states by winning a very small -- >> 22% of counties total. >> the map is redder today. so if you look at that divide, we may be moving to a new normal where democrats and particularly nonwhite voters are sufficient in swing states, allow democrats to win statewide. >> and they're the presidential par
the nobodies having re-elected president obama. i'm talking about the way the other side looks at it, the people wonder about the emergence of the so-called underclass, people being pulled out of their apartments to vote last month. the people who voted for john f. kennedy back in '60 were the same collection of nobodies, the less well off, the people without a lot of sway in business or in power generally. no, they just happened to be the people who have a right to vote and used it. and this is more than disturbing to the people who are calling the shots. it's been downright stunning, in fact. and just as stunning four weeks later because they weren't ready for it for the simple reason
. obama did spend the last two years proselytizing for such a hike and voters were well aware of it when they re-elected him. but the white house has said that the rates don't have to return to clinton era levels. obama's nemesis, as he often told us, are millionaires and billionaires. so why not urge that the higher tax rates be applied only to those with incomes of $1 million and not the couples earning more than $250,000. now, i'm talking pure politics, not equity in this case. can they hang their hat on the fact, okay, you're against millionaires, we'll take back their cut for the millionaires? below that they have to get the deal. >> the problem with this is chuck schumer and other senate democrats tried to offer this to republicans last time. remember the last time we did this, they rejected it. >> it works for them now. they can say all we want is the schumer deal. >> right now they don't have the leverage to get the schumer deal. they rejected the schumer deal. they don't have the leverage to get it. >> here we disagree. i think they may have a case. if the bogeyman is the millio
" and contributor to the kudlow report. just to remind folks, take a listen to president obama during his first re-election press conference talking about mitt romney. >> he presented some ideas during the course of the campaign that i actually agree with. and so it would be interesting to talk to him about something like that. there may be ideas that he has with respect to jobs and growth that can help middle class families that i want to hear. >> so this lunch today, is it just common courtesy or might he have something in mind for mitt romney? >> i think it's potential that he has something in mind that he wants mitt romney to do. it's very unlikely any type of formal position either in his cabinet or otherwise. i mean, both sides are sort of projecting they don't expect a whole lot of news to actually come out of this meeting which would mean it's more of a symbolic gesture, a time for these guys to get together privately. >> well, robert, an op-ed in the "washington post" says, obama should convene a presidential commission on national health costs to be chaired by romney and filled with leaders from
or are things different this time? >> what's interesting this time is barack obama has been re-elected and he's obviously feeling his oats because he's moved back to his earlier position in terms of negotiating points that in the past his own left wing had criticized him for giving up too soon. >> right. >> and you could tell both sides are dug in because neither is talking to each other, talking to the american public. and this is a pr game. >> and, kristen, you've done some work for the house republicans conference. and there are ways where you are making the argument and help polling that makes the argument raising tax rates are not what the american public wants. they agree on seeing the rich pay more but don't do it via rates that scares them off. is that polling data -- it seems like it's a tough message for the republicans. >> it is a tough message for republicans. so i think they're conceding we need to have more revenue come from somewhere. the question is, are all dollars of revenue treated equally? and the problem now is while speaker boehner wants to put ref gnaw on the table, dem
is, what the american people want and they have said in the election, you know, obama did win a major victory and the issue being debated was whether the wealthy are going to start paying their fair share of tacks what poll after poll says do not cut can social security and medicare and medicaid. ask the wealthy and large corporations to start paying their taxes. further, let's not forget, as a result of these rather bad agreements in 2010 and 2011, though i voted against, we've already cut a trillion dollars in programs for working families. >> you're right. the american people have said in the election as well as in the polling, 82% oppose reducing social security benefits. 67% oppose raising medicare eligibility age and 60% support raising taxes on the wealthy. so it doesn't even make political sense. >> that's what i don't get. and the other point, al, when they talk about changing the formula, so-called chain cpi for social security, let me tell you what it means. i want everybody to hear this. it means that if you're 65 today -- and this is going to go into effect immediately if
appears to be a stalemate in the negotiations. in his first interview since the election, president obama reiterated his demand that any deal must raise taxes on the highest earner. yesterday obama also appeared to showroom for flexibility on actually relowering those tax rates in the future. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgement that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. p what i've suggested is let's essentially put a down payment on taxes. let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform, we look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close, and it's possible that we may b
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